revenue has gone up every year of the obama administration and now, we're at historic highs. the same as we were five years ago. the difference is, our spending has increased a trillion dollars. >> yeah, but a lot of that spending is things to help the economy. it's the payroll tax cut extension, which your party supported. it's extending unemployment benefits. it's things like that. t the war. >> that's going to be the challenge of the whole perspective. we've got two philosophies. one says we're spending too much. the other saying we're not spending enough. that's hurting our economy. obviously, the last four years have been more focused on the spending. we continue to pile up more and more debt, we've crossed 100% of debt to gdp. >> but you're line of thinking, i feel like we end up in a situation where all you doe is keep cutting taxes. you start to have a revenue problem. you give a payroll tax, you don't want to tack it away. you keep giving out things and never take them back. >> well, that's the same thing we do on the spending side. >> all those agencies -- is now st